Muslim leader wants elements of sharia in Australia

[bambu]

http://www.smh.com.au/national/muslim-leader-wants-elements-of-sharia-in-australia-20100307-pqlo.html


ELEMENTS of Islamic law - the sharia - should be legally recognised in Australia so that Muslims can live according their faith, a prominent Muslim leader says.

Addressing an open day at Lakemba Mosque on Saturday, the president of the Australian Islamic Mission, Zachariah Matthews, said parts of sharia could be recognised as a secondary legal system so that Muslims were not forced to act contrary to their beliefs. ''Sharia law could function as a parallel system in the same way that some traditional Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander law was recognised in the Northern Territory,'' Dr Matthews told the Herald after the session.

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Of course.
Open day...sharia law 'push'.

What a great idea!

Each race/community/religion has its own legal and cultural system...segregation!

We could all live in separate enclaves...and fence them off from each other...like small countries.
And never they should meet.

Segregation rocks!

I bags "White European" Christians get all the coastal areas and the best farming lands...that is only fair.

[mutation]

If nobody has the balls to implement extirpation then segregation is preferable to integration!
Sharia in Australia? Over my rotting corps!


Mutation

[Pat5Zero]

What Country is this?

No frankly there is less than half a million at the most, Muslims in Australia out of 22 million. I hardly think it feasible.

But I suppose over time with the way our immigration laws are there will be millions here in the next decade.

It will be good to see sharia law in the Australian society with the public floggings, hand amputations, stoned to death the mast forcing of women wearing burquas.

I particularly like being stoned because they bury them up to their chest, so they can't dodge the rocks then stand over them to smash the rocks on their head.

See this is sharia law at it's best.

[Chris]

What Country is this?

No frankly there is less than half a million at the most, Muslims in Australia out of 22 million. I hardly think it feasible.

Let's not forget that 'justice' is meted out with less respect for the usual standards of morality in other countries and other periods as well.

Remember the shooting of a suspected Vietcong office by General Loan back in 1968?? That episode of summary death was captured in glorious black and white and spread around the worlds media by the reporters gathered to the spot specifically to watch the killing.

[Pat5Zero]

What Country is this?

No frankly there is less than half a million at the most, Muslims in Australia out of 22 million. I hardly think it feasible.

Let's not forget that 'justice' is meted out with less respect for the usual standards of morality in other countries and other periods as well.

Remember the shooting of a suspected Vietcong office by General Loan back in 1968?? That episode of summary death was captured in glorious black and white and spread around the worlds media by the reporters gathered to the spot specifically to watch the killing.

I like the comment from that link you provided chris.

The camera, as an alternative to the gun, again begs the association to the mechanical phallus. But unlike the gun, which is an expression of overcompensation for impotence, the camera is a celebration of impotence, a collective sharing of the impotent moment, where we participate in the passive gaze and lament our inability to change the past.

[mutation]

What Country is this?

No frankly there is less than half a million at the most, Muslims in Australia out of 22 million. I hardly think it feasible.

Let's not forget that 'justice' is meted out with less respect for the usual standards of morality in other countries and other periods as well.

Remember the shooting of a suspected Vietcong office by General Loan back in 1968?? That episode of summary death was captured in glorious black and white and spread around the worlds media by the reporters gathered to the spot specifically to watch the killing.

You just went back 42 years to find your example. In the lands of the Religion Of Peace you could find the same barbarity and only have to go back 42 minutes!



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[Sir Harold]

 

shooting of a suspected Vietcong office by General Loan back in 1968??

This shooting was carried out in a war zone.  those sort of atrocities occur in war zones.

Barbaric behaviour as in the photos in some of the other posts here, is stipulated in the sharia penal code.  Thats the difference.

Comparing the two trivialises the unpleasant reality in Muslim countries.

Western countries need to be aware of the threat of a rising Muslim demographic.

[Pat5Zero]

Chris you are justified in giving examples from other eras
However you might agree with me that we live in a wonderful country were we as Australians enjoy relatively comfortable life styles, free from civil war and outside interference.

Until the last 2 decades where terrorism has enveloped our lives with Bin laden, 9/11, Taliban and Iranian affairs.

But I suggest this, we have just jailed for considerable long terms 5 Islamic home grown terrorists. It is of my opinion that as time progresses this will become a major issue "Islamic Home Grown Terrorism".

Don't let us all fool ourselves by our great Aussie saying "she'll be all right mate". Because the example of our government jailing these terrorists and recently the deporting a Islamic cleric suggest that we could end up like Britain, Iran or Malaysia and America.
 
I Apologise if I have offended any of the other members of this forum if they find the pictures I have posted offensive.
But I use my argument above and the pictures in my previous post as a justification in realising what could be Australians future if not curtailed.

[Chris]

You just went back 42 years to find your example. In the lands of the Religion Of Peace you could find the same barbarity and only have to go back 42 minutes!

Ahh... how about the justice system in another country where god and Christianity are invoked any any given opportunity... the USA which regularly fries people to death in electric chairs etc.??

Talking of 'justice' I'm still not entirely convinced that slaughtering millions of Iraqi's in the name of peace and democracy was exactly kosher?

Ok you're talking about Sharia Law which operates on a personal level but it's the principle that's the point and I see no justification for condemning a country for allowing stoning and flogging whilst lauding another which also claims it acts in the name of truth and justice whilst using more modern forms of torturing its citizens to death.

Over here we still allow the ritual spearing of offenders under tribal laws in aboriginal communities. Also Canon Law still exists tho admittedly its powers of punishment have been severely curtailed over the recent years.

Still... I *do* agree that allowing Shariah Law to take root here would be retrograde step. What *should* be done is the outlawing of *all* religious symbolism from society especially schools and government!! No burkha's, no crucifixes, no religious holidays, no "In God we trust" etc... or swearing on bibles etc.

People free to follow whatever religion they like in private... but no religious schools etc. A 100% secular society in which everyone is free of oppression... what a pipe-dream eh??

[Sir Harold]

Ahh.  .  .   how about the justice system in another country where god and Christianity are invoked any any given opportunity.  .  .   the USA which regularly fries people to death in electric chairs etc.  ??

The USA is a secular state.   Church & state are separate.   All are represented by the gov.   regardless of creed & religion



 The religion of Islam does not recognise this paradigm.   Only Muslims are given a fair go.   Muslim women also are relegated to inferior status to Muslim men. 

 Non-Muslims take the position of the 'dhimmi'.  -second class citizens.   This is enshrined in Sharia law. 

What you are attempting to do is invoke a moral relativism & equivalence between the two religions, when I'll assert one doesn't exist. 

whilst using more modern forms of torturing its citizens to death.

Where did this occur?

[Chris]

Ahh.  .  .   how about the justice system in another country where god and Christianity are invoked any any given opportunity.  .  .   the USA which regularly fries people to death in electric chairs etc.  ??

The USA is a secular state.   Church & state are separate.   All are represented by the gov.   regardless of creed & religion

Err... this *is* a joke... yes??

whilst using more modern forms of torturing its citizens to death.

Where did this occur?

Not sure when the last execution was in the USA... but it probably wasn't that long in the past.

[Sir Harold]

Err... this *is* a joke... yes??

No it's not a joke.

It's a fact. Unless you can show otherwise.

Your comments are motivated from a standpoint that there is too much influence by the religious right.

However, that does not equate to the USA being a Christian theocracy.

Not sure when the last execution was in the USA... but it probably wasn't that long in the past.

Equating executions with torture is the use of creative licence..

[Crankenstein]

USA: One nation, under God.

That's the end of that one...

I don't think that Shariah law should be allowed and i don't agree with aboriginal tribal law or whatever it is called.

Australia is a Multicultural society, one of the things we are working towards, specifically within education, is an inclusive society. Allowing different laws for different groups enhances the segregation and would be counter-productive to this cause.

Chris, I agree. No religious holidays, No swearing on the bible in court, No in God We Trust. However: I really don't see the problem with someone wearing a burkha or a crucifix or any other religious symbol. That is their own personal decision and it doesn't effect anyone else. They are wearing it themselves, they don't make a big deal out of it (if a big deal is made of it, it's usually from everyone else not them) and they aren't forcing it on anyone else. I disagree with crucifixes being displayed in public schools, especially in a secular society, but if someone wants their own personal symbol, who are we to interfere and tell them not to? If I told someone to take their crucifix off, as an atheist, wouldn't that make me as bad as those I am 'against'? Honestly, It's a necklace...

I am however extremely impressed that you included crucifixes in this. Most people kick and scream about burkhas and Kippahs and countless other things but the very thought of applying the same standards to Christianity... uproar, rebellion, revolt, 'boycott'...

[Sir Harold]

Australia is a Multicultural society

A slogan of the multicultural industry. Nothing else.

is an inclusive society. ( & how has this been achieved so far?) Allowing different laws for different groups enhances the segregation and would be counter-productive to this cause.

Answer: Says who?  I'd call that another slogan. Firstly multiculturalism was never voted for nor was mass immigration. By aiming for an 'inclusive society' this has involved the pandering to self interested minority & victim groups, plus special rules & laws to 'help''them'fit in. Contradiction alert You have already said that allowing different laws for different groups in counterproductive. Please explain.

The Muslims have already stated they want sharia law. I don't think they plan to play the game. how are you planning to deal with that?

specifically within education

 Yeah thats right, lets spread  propaganda into the schools, obviously the parents are a lost cause. Thats one of the reasons parents are leaving public education in droves.

Multiculturalism & the 'diversity is strength' crowd, encourage segregation, by encouraging the 'celebration' of 'their' cultures, rather than the policy of integration.

Diversity is strength? (Slavery is Freedom?  Work makes you free?) These sorts of propaganda slogans point to the totalitarian nature of multiculturalism.)What about white flight? People are voting with their feet. As per a Sydney morning herald article some time ago, schools are becoming segregated along ethnic lines.

So many immigrants are now coming in there is nothing for them to integrate into, this is a threat to community cohesion.

[Sir Harold]

USA: One nation, under God.

That's the end of that one...

I'd dispute that.

The current version of the Pledge of Allegiance reads:[1]

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

A person is not legally obliged to recite the pledge. & Even if they did there is still freedom of religion.

In 2009, a Montgomery County, Maryland, teacher had school police remove a 13-year-old who refused to say the Pledge of Allegiance in the classroom. The student's mother, assisted by the American Civil Liberties Union of Maryland, sought an apology from the teacher, as state law and the school's student handbook both prohibit students from being forced to recite the Pledge.[17]

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other things but the very thought of applying the same standards to Christianity... uproar, rebellion, revolt, 'boycott'

Thats because the USA & most of the anglosphere has a strong christian heritage.

What I don't see from (Islamic states) is any recipricity to freedom of religion. I think the uproar comes from peopkle who believe in a level playing field.