Muslim leader wants elements of sharia in Australia

[Crankenstein]

I stand corrected, well played.

as for the second half of your post:

What I don't see from (Islamic states) is any recipricity to freedom of religion. I think the uproar comes from peopkle who believe in a level playing field.

So just because they are terrible in their country gives us the right to be the same in ours? Very solid argument you have there.... 

[mutation]

Err... this *is* a joke... yes??

No it's not a joke.

It's a fact. Unless you can show otherwise.

Your comments are motivated from a standpoint that there is too much influence by the religious right.

However, that does not equate to the USA being a Christian theocracy.

Not sure when the last execution was in the USA... but it probably wasn't that long in the past.

Equating executions with torture is the use of creative licence..

Technically you are correct America is a constitutional democracy but in a country where 40% of the population solemnly believe the planet is less than 6000 years old if functions like a Theocracy in all its glory!


Mutation

[mutation]

Australia is a Multicultural society, one of the things we are working towards, specifically within education, is an inclusive society. Allowing different laws for different groups enhances the segregation and would be counter-productive to this cause.

Do you realize what Multiculture actually means or are you happy to use the SMH version?
Multiculture means exactly that multiple culture running in parallel specifically with integration and inclusivity! Thats what it means and thats how it is being forced on us, nothing short of forced cultural relativism!
Australia was perhaps intended to be Multiracial but never multicultural the fact that the two terms are now used interchangeably is simply a tool of the propagandists!


Mutation

[Crankenstein]

No, I have no idea what I am talking about, I mean It's not like I have spent the last three years of my life studying socio-cultural theory and social-constructivism as part of my education degree.

I know this is an opinions website but when it comes to multiculturalism a lot of you are seriously misinformed. I'm going to stick with my degree based upon evidence and research, you guys can stick to your opinions.

I think I'm going to avoid discussing things that are connected with my degree here on A.O. from now on for the sake of my sanity.

[mutation]

No, I have no idea what I am talking about, I mean It's not like I have spent the last three years of my life studying socio-cultural theory and social-constructivism as part of my education degree.

I know this is an opinions website but when it comes to multiculturalism a lot of you are seriously misinformed. I'm going to stick with my degree based upon evidence and research, you guys can stick to your opinions.

I think I'm going to avoid discussing things that are connected with my degree here on A.O. from now on for the sake of my sanity.

Then perhaps if you are not to busy with school you could lower yourself to actually making a point and explaining you view rather than trying to impress us with an utterly pointless field of study.


Mutation

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Mutation, Kindly resist the temptation to make personal attacks and denigrate other Members.

[Crankenstein]

Then perhaps if you are not to busy with school you could lower yourself to actually making a point and explaining you view rather than trying to impress us with an utterly pointless field of study.

I have made plenty of points.

I am not trying to impress anyone.

Education is a FAR from pointless field of study.

[mutation]

Then perhaps if you are not to busy with school you could lower yourself to actually making a point and explaining you view rather than trying to impress us with an utterly pointless field of study.

I have made plenty of points.

I am not trying to impress anyone.

Education is a FAR from pointless field of study.

No educations is not but "socio-cultural theory and social-constructivism" is !


Mutation

[Chris]

No, I have no idea what I am talking about, I mean It's not like I have spent the last three years of my life studying socio-cultural theory and social-constructivism as part of my education degree.

I know this is an opinions website but when it comes to multiculturalism a lot of you are seriously misinformed. I'm going to stick with my degree based upon evidence and research, you guys can stick to your opinions.

I think I'm going to avoid discussing things that are connected with my degree here on A.O. from now on for the sake of my sanity.

Rofl... now don't be like that! I for one enjoy your posts and would miss your take on our misinformed opinions... otherwise how else would welearn??

[Chris]

No educations is not but "socio-cultural theory and social-constructivism" is !

Why would you consider such a critically important subject as social constructivism to be pointless?

Perhaps my grounding in Social Psychology has given me a bias against the wishy washy concepts of Sociology as a discipline but Crank is following a different path which, put simply, helps us understand why people in groups do what they do!

Surely if we can understand that we can begin to understand how to prevent some of the ills that bedevil our current social make-up??

[Crankenstein]

Knowing as much as I do about Psychology I am often sceptical of some of the wishy washy aspects of the sociology I am presented with.

A lot of my lecturers seem to think that culture is the main driving force behind identity formation, In other words: nurture has more of an effect than nature. Anyone with the slightest bit of knowledge in cognitive psychology and genome structuring knows that this is not the case. 

Having said that, its not like sociology is in the same bucket as homoeopathy...

[bambu]

Err... this *is* a joke... yes??

No it's not a joke.

It's a fact. Unless you can show otherwise.

Your comments are motivated from a standpoint that there is too much influence by the religious right.

However, that does not equate to the USA being a Christian theocracy.

Not sure when the last execution was in the USA... but it probably wasn't that long in the past.

Equating executions with torture is the use of creative licence..

>>>>>

Executions are torture...torture in death chambers.

US executes [premeditated, cold-blooded killing by the state...if you did that to neighbour it'd be called murder]...people all the time...Virginia and Texas the busiest death chambers in the country.

Without so much as the blink of an eye.

Well some states have seen the light and abolished the 'murder' of convicteds by the state.

Japan executed an innocent man recently.
Innocent people have been execution-'murdered' in America.

Sabrina Butler got lucky...innocent, the state nearly tortured her to death.

[mutation]

Err... this *is* a joke... yes??

No it's not a joke.

It's a fact. Unless you can show otherwise.

Your comments are motivated from a standpoint that there is too much influence by the religious right.

However, that does not equate to the USA being a Christian theocracy.

Not sure when the last execution was in the USA... but it probably wasn't that long in the past.

Equating executions with torture is the use of creative licence..

>>>>>

Executions are torture...torture in death chambers.

US executes [premeditated, cold-blooded killing by the state...if you did that to neighbour it'd be called murder]...people all the time...Virginia and Texas the busiest death chambers in the country.

Without so much as the blink of an eye.

Well some states have seen the light and abolished the 'murder' of convicteds by the state.

Japan executed an innocent man recently.
Innocent people have been execution-'murdered' in America.

Sabrina Butler got lucky...innocent, the state nearly tortured her to death.

I too have a very big problem with the state executing criminals but not because they dont need or deserve executing rather because the state is simply not competent to accuratly determine guilt and its agents cannot be trusted to identify, persue and prosecute people based only on the facts and nothing else.
I support the Concept of capital punishment just not by the state!


Mutation

[mutation]

No educations is not but "socio-cultural theory and social-constructivism" is !

Why would you consider such a critically important subject as social constructivism to be pointless?

Perhaps my grounding in Social Psychology has given me a bias against the wishy washy concepts of Sociology as a discipline but Crank is following a different path which, put simply, helps us understand why people in groups do what they do!

Surely if we can understand that we can begin to understand how to prevent some of the ills that bedevil our current social make-up??

Its not constructive except from perhaps an intellectual perspective and is exactly the sort of field that leads wayward government to experiment with social engineering! I for one have had enough of that. I also strongly believe these fields of study and the faculty that teach them have a strong ideological undercurrent and are often little more than courses aimed at indoctrinating interested students with their rather demented world view. Crank may be smart enough to make it through unscathed but many are not and society is the worse for it!


Mutation

[Chris]

Knowing as much as I do about Psychology I am often sceptical of some of the wishy washy aspects of the sociology I am presented with.

A lot of my lecturers seem to think that culture is the main driving force behind identity formation, In other words: nurture has more of an effect than nature. Anyone with the slightest bit of knowledge in cognitive psychology and genome structuring knows that this is not the case. 

Having said that, its not like sociology is in the same bucket as homoeopathy...

Sociology lost me when they started lauding Max Weber as the epitome of the craft of social researcher!

I'm afraid I'm a great believer in the old " *censored* in -  *censored* out" school and Weber's data was fatally flawed because of its origins and analysis! Ok his methodology might well have been excellent in principle... but since he had no checks and balances worthy of the name I totally lost respect for the discipline.

The methodologies invoked by Psychology might not be perfect... no social science can be... but at least they *try* for as much mathematical validity as possible.

For me sociology *is* in the same bucket as homoeopathy... i.e. sometimes they just get lucky!

As for your lecturers they do have a point.

Nature obviously interacts with every aspect of the way culture works on identity... but ultimately most 'normal' people develop their social mores etc by immersion in the culture they develop within and thus identify totally with it. I doubt that a gum chewing baseball playing American kid would identify himself much with the cultural imperatives felt by a villager in PNG? Their social identity is predicated on the culture not their genetic makeup.